check out the. The technical storage or access is strictly necessary for the legitimate purpose of enabling the use of a specific service explicitly requested by the subscriber or user, or for the sole purpose of carrying out the transmission of a communication over an electronic communications network. 79 0 obj <>stream The "1858 Remington" is a modern collector's term for the Remington New Model Army. C.-{.-~Q~vVW?[.aMF^fV?4J/:50fb0L@w6l=lMaCFnO,ta#ip:xCr3A?Z[Hi6? 0000007017 00000 n 0000002932 00000 n Without a subpoena, voluntary compliance on the part of your Internet Service Provider, or additional records from a third party, information stored or retrieved for this purpose alone cannot usually be used to identify you. Could it be one of those? To view prices realized you must be an "Archives Member". 0000012886 00000 n February 18, 2016 in SASS Wire. "CAL. 1860." The recently introduced line of firearms from Palmetto Arms is marked with the company logo of a palm tree within a circle, sometimes followed by the name, PALMETTO. 0000005072 00000 n e"GK((((JYWo b>G{9NLc>O4N&+ n2 I find strange that an Uberti gun has no date code. x4hjF%1I'WVH">^I*Yt} FSYD"}di)IK n!Hhf$=o:k$y}$*&L(\G'zyKdlG?Q\7>>SSV6K#OqDSIpzNh~~ x #=l%l&U ps~31H^$qB^7'0]?Ew#E=9+|uL>k/,xS-7wiN=KqOF` m2; ul_w`N` Lv endstream endobj 36 0 obj 741 endobj 37 0 obj << /Filter /FlateDecode /Length 36 0 R >> stream how to tell Pedersoli from Pietta on 1858 Remington New Army - Gunloads.com It has a brass frame, trigger guard and back strap, 1851 style -no top strap. Hello. To provide the best experiences, we use technologies like cookies to store and/or access device information. Derek Landers, I have one single shot black powder handgun, percussion, brass frame steel barrel. 0000062843 00000 n There are some light nicks, scuffs and handling marks on the pistols metal surfaces. The action proof marks were under the action just behind the loading platform. During the 1960's, 1970's, and even into the 1980's there was a bonanza market for these replica revolvers. The National Weapons Catalog was introduced in Italy in 1975 and the number 1487 refers to the UBERTI MOD. Hello, I have a .36 caliber 1851 navy model with markings stating, black powder only made in Italy and the 3 Markings identifying the standardized proof house marks on the other side, but I cant find anywhere the markings of the Italian makers except for a marking that says HUBERTUS in a rectangular box, can you maybe give me some more info. We were extremely gratified to see a company making such a high-grade version of the old Henry, never mind where in the world its made. In the picture below you can see first the year of manufacture "BM" indicating it was made in 1999. 0000001537 00000 n Looks like if they were they would have had to do the entire gun, there are no deep gouges or deep file marks anywhere other than it looking worn. ASM puts that info on the bottom of the frame adjacent to the barrel lug when the datecodes were alpha characters in a rectangle. The front sight was also identical in contour to the other rifle, and had a flat-topped blade insert of somewhat shiny metal. Copyright 2019 sassnet.com The chart will enable you to determine the date your gun was proved. 0000004861 00000 n In the early days of the Navy Arms / Uberti connection, Gregorelli actually produced the metal . %PDF-1.4 % Mechanics:The action functions correctly. I am aware of the 1861 Whitney and the Spiller and Burr. You need to take the buttstock off & look on the receiver. Box 275, McGregor, IA 52157, ~ Ring Us at 563-873-2387 or TOll Free at 866-259-9172. We accomplished that with a Sharpie, and that helped our groups. Copyright 2023 Aceville Publications Ltd. Also included is the origianal cardboard wood grain box and waxed wrapping paper. Pending. The rifle did not seem to require a break-in period to deburr it, as had the other one. If you shoot a reproduction muzzle loading pistol or rifle, the chances are it was made in the Brescia area of northern Italy. Same serial # is under grips on frame as on bottom of barrel. While the stock finish was mighty hard, it had none of the milkiness that Henrys rifle had. Unfired. Both made in 1976 it has markings but no manufacture marks I would like to know who made them ? The right side of the frame is marked 04919. The manual had the mumbo-jumbo we mentioned in our earlier report about where the lever ought to be during the loading process, and we again state that it doesnt matter where you put the lever when you load the rifle. In short, put the lever anywhere you want it during the loading process, and it will still take a full cycle of the lever to get the first round into the chamber. These letters will sometimes be found in a circle. 0000050991 00000 n 0000010481 00000 n Thanks. 0000052647 00000 n Posted February 18, 2016. The most famous of these is probably Ubertis representation of the muzzle of an octagonal barrelled gun, showing the front sight and rifling in the barrel, with a letter U in the bore. Model:Replica Remington Rolling Block Pistol, Year of Manufacture:1975, Italian date code AA, Action Type:Single-Shot Rolling-Block style Pistol with Extractor. Two more Rifle models come in the same chamberings (342370 in 44-40 and 342360 in 45 Colt) and have the same barrel lengths as the brass ones, but they display case-hardened frames and levers and blued buttplates and list for $30 more. Prior to 1975 ASM stamped the datecode in Roman numerals on the right side of the frame, along with the proofmarks. Only flaw I noticed is the screw securing the wedge is a bit off center to the left. Pre 60s? Our Team Said: We thought the Uberti 1860 Henry was as good a rifle as any weve tested, modern or otherwise. maybe I can get a little more info. Any thought on the origin of this piece? Loading the rifle was easy, by which we mean the follower easily raised the front lock to let the gate swing open without any of the fiddling the Henrys version needed. The right side of the frame is marked . Happy New Year! 0000050889 00000 n 0000057470 00000 n I hope it's at least a little bit of a lead." and another from oour friend Prarie Dawg: I have .36 caliber 1851 navy model with the markings, black powder only made in Italy on the barrel and the 3 standardized proof house marks on the other side but I dont see any of the Italian makers marks, except for a name of HUBERTUS in a rectangular box. All are very friendly, and if any of you have a problem with the way your weapon percolates, there will be at least a half dozen guys who have experienced the same problems, and they will be delighted to help with advice. 0000067226 00000 n Can you advise me as to where I could get this information? Any way to know what year? The largest market for these weapons is the U.S.A. and some of the larger American importers often have their own names stamped on the guns. serial # 7996. Not all numbers in this range were used. Caliber looks like 45. Take that, and cross reference it the list below. Simi Valley, CA 93065. 6) Pietta's logo and name stamp. there are other marking but they are not readable. 0000039439 00000 n 0000004123 00000 n We dont think thats necessary, however it looked mighty nice. 0000006039 00000 n Rooster Cogburn. trailer << /Size 67 /Info 20 0 R /Root 23 0 R /Prev 117549 /ID[<3013820267cc20c18f38ceb2ef54c0c3>] >> startxref 0 %%EOF 23 0 obj << /Type /Catalog /Pages 19 0 R /Metadata 21 0 R /AcroForm 24 0 R >> endobj 24 0 obj << /Fields [ ] /DR << /Font << /ZaDb 16 0 R /Helv 17 0 R >> /Encoding << /PDFDocEncoding 18 0 R >> >> /DA (/Helv 0 Tf 0 g ) >> endobj 65 0 obj << /S 98 /V 209 /Filter /FlateDecode /Length 66 0 R >> stream The right side of the receiver is marked with the serial number "08270" and features Italian proofs including the date code "AF". it is scratched badly with sand paper in a horrible restore. These codes go back to 1954, starting with Roman numeral, "X" (ten) and increasing by one each year so, 1955 = XI, 1956 = XII. 7) Mark on a recent Euroarms revolver. Italian date stamps. There is some pitting towards the muzzle end of the bore. HV{PTwjrh"1 fv] Uberti offers versions of all three Colt Dragoon revolvers in their line-up and the one we have here is a standard civilian Second model. Powered by Invision Community. Accuracy was plenty good enough, we thought. The Remington ammo was balky on entering the chamber. #6. We found the barrel flats to be properly done. If you wish to send some photographs to the magazine I'm sure they will forward them to me and I may be able to help you more. Overall, the pistol is in Fine condition. To view prices realized you must be an "Archives Member". Deep blued 6 side 7.5" barrel, case hardened loading rod and hammer. The Winchester won a clear victory in that head-to-head test of lever actions, but we were intrigued by the Henry nonetheless. 0000027918 00000 n There were ultimately 5 variations of the Remington Rolling Block pistol culminating with the Model 1871. We believe the original Henry rifles (from the 19th century) had blued parts, but there were some finish variations in the 1866 and 1873 rifles that followed it, so we believe its possible some of the original Henrys had case-hardened parts. {Za%a\#XDs9dE;*ci8=agercR"Vf|^z 96MXKk8}vd+X0L@skz j> 'th,6bB%t%]iNjNyksz+l4 C2&y*8NOalS?E:{'-~+[+GOk-cOcJ( oGljoR_Gb }6[w;vd ! endstream endobj 34 0 obj 782 endobj 35 0 obj << /Filter /FlateDecode /Length 34 0 R >> stream I copied this form the CAS City forum. The only marks are "NAVY ARMS CO" on the left side of the frame and on the barrel top flat, on the right side of the barrel "MADE IN ITALY" and the letters "GU" in script. )9/q3YgYHH}c. 0000000016 00000 n 22 HORNET. r2 e< 1{Vk)} It had an extremely heavy trigger pull. Partly because of that problem and partly because of the high price, $2300, we gave the rifle a Grade: C rating. Thats why we dont call the capacity 13+1, as its given on the website. 11) The mark on the left is possibly an Armi San Marco logo on a 1994 pistol. .22 Long Rifle" is marked twice around the circumference of the cylinder at the rear along with two proof marks. We suspect itd be a delight with black powder. The Beretta family can trace their gunmaking roots in this region back almost five hundred years. It was made in 1980 and has all of the standard proof marks but I don't know who manufactured the rifle. PDF PROOF MARKS ProoF MarKs - NRA Museum By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use. 0000003020 00000 n "I'll help you down the trail and proud to!" Thank you. All of these reproductions will also be marked ITALY or MADE IN ITALY, along with a serial number, calibre and, in the case of Uberti and Pedersoli, often a catalogue number. 7) Mark on a recent Euroarms revolver. 0000011024 00000 n A little wear from use will fix that, or these could be deburred carefully by the owner. I still adore my Uberti but my Henry Original is hands down the superior rifle of the two reproductions. stamping on the frame is CMC or CMG not clear. 0000052548 00000 n To my amazement, I found another Uberti/Colt .22 single action at Collector Firearms' web site . It just seems that a little more care in their placement could result in more acceptability and perhaps more sales to the purists. The hammer was blued, but the loading lever was case hardened. 0000012438 00000 n 0000038657 00000 n Our sample Uberti Yellow Boy rifle was very well made and finished. 6) Piettas logo and name stamp. 0000078152 00000 n If you take the grips off there could be a mark on the brass underneath. Enjoy the thrill of shooting a gun from the Old West and experience how history repeats itself. Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada.